As I posted on one of the facebook sites (though it seems to have mysteriously disappeared) Skiathos is just a severe microcosm of what everywhere else in the world is experiencing. Do you keep restrictions in place and guarantee a low or zero infection level but run the risk of businesses going bankrupt because the footfall is a fraction of what it would be or do you open up, as an entity, and invariably increase the rate of infection and death. In real terms 'beating coronovirus' means producing an effective vaccine and implementing a worldwide vaccination programme as is done for new flu variants. A new vaccine could be 2 years away. Until then its all about risk assessment and how the 'R' value is trending and using that to decide what your own personal confidence level is of likelyhood of contracting it given whatever restrictions are still in place by the relevant governments.
So Athens open now, Thessaloniki in a fortnight, the other airports from 1st JUly.
For Brits, you'll be required to take a test, then isolate in a hotel overnight to await the result. If it's negative, you still have to isolate for a week, positive and its a fortnight.
Others, from countries with a more favourable situation, just get random tests and no quarantine.
So, the big question is, how are Greece deciding who's in and who's out? For the first time they've said clearly that they'll stick to EASA guidelines, and allow tourists in on the basis of which departure airports are deemed safe. There's a current list here, along with (importantly) criteria for who's on the list (pages 4 & 5):
Well, I'm glad we've changed out two 2020 bookings to 2021. The idea of arrival tests, quarantine and suchlike is laughable. Honestly, is there anybody out there who wants to pay a couple of grand to fly their family out to Greece to possibly spend the two weeks in isolation?
Much as I desperately want to go, I don't think the virus will be safe enough to enjoy a holiday this year, so I'm glad we took the bull by the horns and changed to next year. It just seems too dodgy to go this year. I could be wrong and for those who stick with their bookings, I hope it works out for them. But I don't believe Vera and I would survive Covid-19, far less chance in Skiathos with no hospital facilities and no way to get out - I can't imagine ferries and flights allowing patients to travel amongst the normal traffic, so how else to get to somewhere with facilities, other than private boat or plane.
I have a certain amount of public spiritedness in not wanting to take the virus to Skiathos, but way above that is my spiritedness not to die. I'm not rejoining the general public under the latest relaxations for shielded people - call me grumpy or a spoilsport or whatever if you like, but I'm staying in to save lives (mine and Vera's) until somebody comes up with a convincing statement that it's safe out there.
Post by yorkshiremouth on Jun 2, 2020 16:38:35 GMT
I'm of a similar opinion.
However, I must measure my approach.
The Greek people are facing a conundrum, do they allow their economy to skip further, or take a measured risk? If they decide they need UK tourists so badly that they're prepared to take rhe risk, then I feel it would be patronising of me to tell them how wrong they are, that their lives matter more than their jobs, and that they've got it all wrong.
For myself, I only have to look at the infection and mortality rates. We've had 40,000 dead in the UK. Fewer than 180 in Greece. The idea that I'm not going over there so foreigners can infect me is a bit xenophobic.
So that leaves the chance of being infected by other Brits. Well, I'm waiting and seeing on that. I'm not due to go until mid-August, which is two-and-a-half months away.
I'll see how it is then.
EDIT: Just to add, if I were 25 I’d be looking at this a bit differently to the way I am at 55, and if I were 65, 75 or 85, it’d be different again.
But the bottom line for me is this - am I likely to be at greater risk in Greece doing the sort of things I do in Greece, than I would be doing similar things at home, and am I avoiding doing those at home.
If I’m avoiding them at home, I’m not taking the risk by going to Greece. If I’m doing them at home, I’m daft to not do them in Greece.
Most assuredly NOT xenophobic. I’m not the least bit concerned that the foreign Skiathos people would kill us. But I remember some talk about some point in the future when our infection rate will be 1 in 400, suggesting it’s safe to get in an airport to check in alongside a hall full of over 400 others, with how many infected, asymptomatic, shedding Covid-19 droplets all around, then maybe my plane will have another somebody, then maybe arrivals will have a couple of planeloads with odd somebodies. All those tavernas, Papadiamantis street. You name it, everywhere that all those people go after behaving like I’ve seen our social distancing performances.
No, the Skiathites don’t worry me one bit. I’m scared of all you lot. And you should be scared of me.
It all depends where you live in the .country the north east its still . Our hospital the numbers being treated are down considerably but deaths per week are not. I just read a thought provoking story on line with photographs, of someone who kept social distane,hardly went out constantly washed hands, and got it and felt quite ill. They were in hospital 3 days as they had it several days before breathing difficulties. They said were fit healthy and in their thirties and dread to think if they were older. your chances of dying multiply rapidly, if you are over 70, quadruple if diabetic, and again if have immunity issues . So stay safe Dennis and Vera im looking forward to you buying me a drink next June !
Mum's desperate to get away to Parga in August but we are playing it by ear. The R value will have to come down further and there will have to be no quarantine periods at either end still in place for it to be feasible. These things are being reviewed every 3 weeks or so. The deadline realistically for us will be around July 20th to make the decision to go or not, assuming flights are going and quarantine restrictions are lifted. I'm pretty dubious myself but its wait and see. If its feasible to shift it all to 2021 we might do but we were expecting to be back in Skiathos next year, possibly to meet up with folks from the facebook group. It would seem a long time not to go back until 2022.
I was supposed to be having a cheap week away in Italy (never been) starting next week but that's gone completely, in process of recovering flight costs and getting a voucher for the accommodation fee to use at a later date.
So stay safe Dennis and Vera im looking forward to you buying me a drink next June !
So am I Cariad. Not that I'm using that as an excuse for staying alive, more the price of survival!
PS, just started our thirteenth week of isolation. We live 100 yards away from a primary school entrance. This morning I watched from our front window as a group of 7 children, with two adults, walked their crowded way to the social distancing arrangements which I presume have been put in place there. And BoJo thinks they can distance in primary schools! #sickjoke.