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Post by dennisn on Aug 3, 2020 7:40:00 GMT
CARIAD you’re spitting into the wind. He’s running an election campaign and there are more votes in the people who think holidaying is safer than staying home.
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 8:17:51 GMT
Stop giving these idiots airtime, my tv in danger of damage from me throwing things, when ive taken decision to not go to my beloved greece first time ever in 25 years, to ensure im still here to go next year. I think the people moaning their holiday has been cut short have an excellent point. If they’re in Tenerife and being sent back to Manchester or West Yorkshire they’re being forced to return to somewhere with a higher infection rate than where they’re holidaying, land having their holiday destroyed. I’d be livid. I fully appreciate we’re not all in the same boat, and everyone must make their or not decision. I wouldn’t dream of criticising your decision. But I’ve very carefully weighed up the risks of going away if staying, and I’m probably safer spending 12 nights out of the country than staying here.
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 8:49:43 GMT
At the moment, my most pressing thought is that our holiday is still 3 weeks away (well, 20 days), and an awful lot can happen in that time.
Who’d have foreseen the events of this past 6 days?
Most troubling, as I work in a school, I’m in danger of worrying away my summer break. Three weeks to Skiathos. Two weeks there. Then just two days at home until work restarts.
If I worry for the next three weeks, I’ve effectively worried away my summer.
But the thing that strikes me in relation to this thread is worrying about going back to work. Over the past fortnight it’s become increasingly clear that children, especially older ones, may be able to transmit the virus as much as adults. It’s also becoming clear that the very worst place to be is in a cramped, enclosed, poorly-ventilated space, with no social distancing with someone who is infectious but asymptomatic. I think that’s a perfect description of a classroom.
So I’m flipping the concern on its head. If I spend the next 3 weeks worrying if my holiday will be cancelled, at least that’s better than spending the next five weeks worrying about returning to work.
In relation to the risks of going on holiday, having weighed all aspects up, I still feel I’ll be significantly more at risk of infection on my first 12 days back at work (and every 12 days thereafter for a significant time) than my 12 days in Greece.
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Post by cariad23 on Aug 3, 2020 9:40:14 GMT
My main point and moan is why is it ok to go to the pub but not have your eyebrows done , go on a protest march crowded beach fine no sense for one one thing and not another. It’s up to people what they choose to do, but don’t moan and love media attention if situation blows up. Take it on the chin. I’m over 60 so risk is higher for me so easier decision, though I think my work in a hospital is for riskier than going on holiday . Now they are starting to allow face to face appointments again , I will refuse to sit clinics as I think I’m at increased risk and my immune system attacked itself when I picked up something nasty in India a few years back. How’s the passport situation ym I need a new one in February I’m hanging on to get the new blue British ones, who remembers those lovely old hard backed blue ones? I’ve still got my first one I had at age 18.
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 9:45:22 GMT
The first arrived late last week, the second just now.
WOO-HOO!
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 9:55:52 GMT
Interesting news this morning. There’s been a leak saying the government are considering isolating the over 50s. In other words, someone has come up with the idea as a possibility, and they’ve floated it to friendly media to see what the response is. It doesn’t look like a blanket measure, they’re thinking of balancing age and other medical conditions. Newspaper headlines: 'Game-changing' 90-minute test and over-50s backlash www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53632583
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Post by magicsteph on Aug 3, 2020 10:37:44 GMT
YM we got that news bulletin yesterday. To say my mum is peed off is an understatement, and she's the calmest person I know. Everyone I know over 50 is ready to riot. The thing is they all obeyed the rules and did what we were supposed to, now they might be penalised for all the idiots who didn't obey the rules. Over here there have been clear groups of idiots... Certain communities who gather in large groups at each others houses have continued to do so. A lot of milenials who think they are immune to it all and refuse to do as they are told because they are spoiled brats. I'm pretty sure there will be a Yorkshire over 50s riot soon. And I don't blame them.
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 11:44:17 GMT
YM we got that news bulletin yesterday. To say my mum is peed off is an understatement, and she's the calmest person I know. Everyone I know over 50 is ready to riot. The thing is they all obeyed the rules and did what we were supposed to, now they might be penalised for all the idiots who didn't obey the rules. Over here there have been clear groups of idiots... Certain communities who gather in large groups at each others houses have continued to do so. A lot of milenials who think they are immune to it all and refuse to do as they are told because they are spoiled brats. I'm pretty sure there will be a Yorkshire over 50s riot soon. And I don't blame them. I think a backlash is being stoked by journalists with an agenda. As a 55 year old, it could affect me, obviously. But I think some papers are trying to push this with a great degree of inaccuracy. It is being presented as the government placing all over 50s into lockdown, in much the same way they have with Leicester. That is not a proposal which is on the cards. They're talking about all over 50s being medically assessed. In short, if you're over 50 your GP will look at your medical records, including: - How far over 50 you are - If you're obese - If you have any underlying health conditions which would make you susceptible to the virus They would then send you a letter based on that. It might include suggestions on lifestyle changes you might want to take, including losing weight, stopping smoking, cutting down on the booze, and so on. In the most extreme cases they might tell you that you should be isolating. However, based on how vulnerable groups have been treated so far, this is not a restriction which would be enforced by law. You wouldn't be arrested or fined for leaving your house after your 50th birthday. The reason people are up in arms is largely down to misinformation. At 55, and technically obese (I'm just over the line), with BP issues (though controlled by medication, so it's actually normal), I'm not the least bit concerned. As far as we're concerned (Boomerangers) the biggest issue might be that your travel insurance may not be valid if you fly to the island after receiving a letter telling you to isolate, though even then I think you'd probably be able to insure yourself. Just one more thing, these measures are being considered as a 'nuclear option' for if a second wave takes off. The figures in the UK are pretty stable at the moment, and if there's a new spike it'll probably be in the autumn. They're not going to give every over 50 just under 3 hours' notice to lock themselves away any day now. If this were to affect me, it'd probably be the result of a large rise in new cases in October/November, and me being told not to go to work, or out to the shops for a few weeks.
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 12:00:16 GMT
Back on topic, I've chosen my traditional song/thread title for my holiday feedback.
You'll get to learn it not long before we go (unless of course everything goes belly up).
But at the moment, with all passports safely in our possession, the recent small increase in UK cases levelling out, I'm more optimistic than I have been for a while.
The only dark cloud on the horizon is Greece's new cases.
They went up from under 1 new case per million per day in early June to 4 in mid-July, falling to around 2 a week later, then increasing again to just over 6 now.
Now 6 isn't at all a bad figure compared to other countries (we're on 11, Germany 8), but more of a concern is that its rising quite rapidly, up from 3.1 to 6.2 in less than a week.
How Greece reacts will depend on whether that continues, as well as where the virus is spreading. If the new cases are among Greeks in large urban areas, and not among tourists and locals in holiday hot spots, they might not restrict tourism.
For comparison, Spain rose from 5.4 on 4th July to 44 on 27th (OUCH!), which is when the UK imposed new quarantine restrictions. It's now at 49. We're a very long way from that at the moment, but as we've seen, things can move fast.
I'll be keeping my eyes open.
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 3, 2020 13:08:37 GMT
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Post by dennisn on Aug 3, 2020 17:27:56 GMT
How’s the passport situation ym I need a new one in February I’m hanging on to get the new blue British ones, who remembers those lovely old hard backed blue ones? I’ve still got my first one I had at age 18. Our passports run out in February too, but I think we may get the new blue French ones.
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Post by dennisn on Aug 3, 2020 17:49:10 GMT
At the moment, my most pressing thought is that our holiday is still 3 weeks away (well, 20 days), and an awful lot can happen in that time. Don’t worry YM, the Elect Boris campaign will NOT stop you going, even though I firmly believe the second wave is already upon us.
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Post by balddave on Aug 6, 2020 16:41:27 GMT
I was going to post on the who’s going site , but realised I may be on the receiving end of a severe ( Dennis style) scolding, which actually isn’t a scolding, just a tiny reminder to read post titles. , so thought I’d post here. See Dennis we’re learning.
In response to the new Dave’s post on who’s going, we arrive on 11th September , we are feeling encouraged by reports from those already visited.
I honestly think our biggest worry comes from the UK , the irresponsible behaviour of some ,coupled with the governments handling may lead to Greece putting a barrier up.
If it’s reasonably quiet now, September should be blissful.
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Post by dennisn on Aug 6, 2020 20:30:35 GMT
I honestly think our biggest worry comes from the UK , the irresponsible behaviour of some For example, Boris, Dominic, Matt, Stanley, all those who voted Boris last election and all those who voted for Brexit. Just saying (well, actually, just bitter and twisted!)
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Post by yorkshiremouth on Aug 7, 2020 8:49:54 GMT
I was going to post on the who’s going site , but realised I may be on the receiving end of a severe ( Dennis style) scolding, which actually isn’t a scolding, just a tiny reminder to read post titles. , so thought I’d post here. See Dennis we’re learning. In response to the new Dave’s post on who’s going, we arrive on 11th September , we are feeling encouraged by reports from those already visited. I honestly think our biggest worry comes from the UK , the irresponsible behaviour of some ,coupled with the governments handling may lead to Greece putting a barrier up. If it’s reasonably quiet now, September should be blissful. I think Boris’ handling has been shocking. But at the moment the biggest threat to holidays in Greece this year is the rapid rise in new infections in Greece. Numbers are doubling every 5 days or so. We’ve quarantined Spain. We’ve just quarantined Belgium. We’re “keeping an eye” on France, who’ve apparently been given a week to stem the flow. If you look at Greece’s numbers and trajectory, they’ll be where Spain and Belgium were before I go away on the 23rd. And scraping over the line won’t help. I’m in a position where a 14 day quarantine in return wouldn’t be a disaster. If that was called whilst I was out there, I wouldn’t let it spoil the holiday. But Jet2 flew some tourists back early, as they couldn’t afford to fly empty planes out to fly people back at the normal time. Bah, and indeed, humbug.
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